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C9 camouflage

Post by davenport49 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 9:27 am

I'm still working on my SM-79, which is slow going. If I could see a good color photo of what C9 camouflage looks like, that would be very helpful. Can anyone help out?

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Re: C9 camouflage

Post by Editor » Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:28 am

There's a few profiles of this plane MM.21434, 284-4, the one below is from Marco Mattioli's Osprey book #106, the plane belonging to 284 Sq. a small Autonoma Aerosiluranti unit with a handfull of aircraft at Benghazi K2, Libya, Jan. 1942. The camouflage pattern C9 is rare indeed possibly applied only by this unit before other schemes were devised, although the scheme was also recorded in AOI 1941. I can't find a photo of this plane.

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Re: C9 camouflage

Post by davenport49 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:14 pm

Thanks, Vince. You may recall, I'm working on 193-1, 87 Gruppo, 30 Stormo. I'm about to start my 3rd attempt to get this right. As per earlier discussion, "S.79 in Action" shows the aircraft on p. 37 w/ a C9 pattern. The profile, though with an incorrect pattern, shows colors of yellow, green & brown, as those called out for C10B. I can't tell from the photo on p. 37 whether the patches are two greens, as your example, or green & brown. The patches appear to be fairly small and irregular, with no evident repetition of pattern. Interestingly, the photo notes that the fasces have been overpainted with green, though they appear to still be faintly visible. This summarizes everything I've figured out so far. If there's something else, please let me know before I start this process again.

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Re: C9 camouflage

Post by Editor » Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:52 pm

Sorry Richard, I was not clear. The camo pattern of 193-1 is closest to C9 (the size and shapes of the large splotches), the colors however are Giallo (yellow) mimetico base, Verde (green) and Marrone (brown) mimetico splotches. I don't think 193-1 was finished in two shades of green. C9 was a rare camo scheme that seemed to be applied only to 284a Sq. planes.

Until October 1941 the wing fasces had a white base Fo (Foglio d'Ordini n.) 86080 29 Ottobre 1941 - fasci "trasparenti". In the photo caption, it says the white background was painted over with green (to remove the white background), possibly in compliance with this directive - Fo 86080. Compare the wing fasci of 193-1 to the photo of the S.79 18-7 below it. The fasci could also be transparent.

Finally there is no CMPR camo chip (camo+color) for 193-1.

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Re: C9 camouflage

Post by davenport49 » Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:13 am

Thanks very much, Vince. You didn't confuse me; I recognize the profile was just a representation of C9, which is what I needed. Being able to compare that with the information I had was very helpful. And I appreciate the clarification you provided re: the colors and the order about wing fasces helps immensely. Now I just have to strip everything down and start again! :cry:

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Re: C9 camouflage

Post by Editor » Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:53 am

A very difficult scheme to do, if you get it right it'll be stunning. I would also think about applying this scheme in sections as opposed to doing it all at one time.

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Re: C9 camouflage

Post by D520 » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:23 am

Have you checked Regia Aeronautica Colori e insegne, Intergest publication, page 49?

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Re: C9 camouflage

Post by davenport49 » Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:53 am

Not familiar with it.

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Re: C9 camouflage

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Re: C9 camouflage

Post by Editor » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:55 pm

Thanks Jean. That's an AOI S.79 clearly in the C9 scheme: Giallo Mimetico 2, Verde Mimetico 2-3, Verde Mimetico 1-53192. A precious photo of a very rare bird indeed. Those Intergest books have allot of rare photos you won't find in modern books. I mentioned to Stefano the other day that folks like himself and the authors that regularly publish in Italy need to form a central repository to preserve these photos because when people like Ferdinando and Angelo Brioschi (both friends of Stefano) pass away so does their personal collections with one-off photos that disappear forever and in a sense those photos don't belong to any one person, they belong to history and to subsequent generations.

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Re: C9 camouflage

Post by Stefano » Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:23 am

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Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:52 pm
[...] The camo pattern of 193-1 is closest to C9 (the size and shapes of the large splotches), the colors however are Giallo (yellow) mimetico base, Verde (green) and Marrone (brown) mimetico splotches. I don't think 193-1 was finished in two shades of green. C9 was a rare camo scheme that seemed to be applied only to 284a Sq. planes. [...]
Finally there is no CMPR camo chip (camo+color) for 193-1.
Colour shots of C9-camouflaged 279-1 MM 23962 (see Wings of Italy) confirms they were large patches of green and brown over yellow background. It was long-time supposed (CMPR book, 1st ed., 1977) to be a 'marine' camo, so two greens have been hypotized. Scheme is rather unusual, but belonged to several examples: White 1 in AOI, 55-5 MM 23855, 193-8, 253-6, 283-7, 284-4... not all torpedo bombers and, strangely, belonging to different Serie by different factories. They possibly were all overhauled in the same period and place, and repainted one-off. Quality of photos is not good, but colours could have been those of Arson-SISI: Verde Mimetico 53192, Marrone MImetico 53193 and Giallo Mimetico 3 (53194).
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My "C9" Rendering...

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"X" marking way too narrow, background white too wide alas :( Tauro Decals art showed white band on fuselage sides only, if went around entire fuselage yet another me bad :(

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