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Piaggio P.108A, B & T Build Portraits

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Group I: Omega Models Caproni Ca.335, SEM Model Savoia-Marchetti S.73 & 74, Italian Kits Wings S.89 Builds In Progress

Post by RetiredInKalifornia » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:58 pm

Build Progress Reports Will Be Continuously Posted Here, Photos Of Built Models Will Be On Separate Postings

The Omega Models Caproni Ca.335 Maestrale (Mistral) kit with resin, styrene plastic et. al. parts is a complete kit sporting a Mimetico scheme similar to the below Savoia-Marchetti S.73 & S.74 SEM Model builds, its included to economize on painting.

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The SEM Model Savoia-Marchetti S.73 kit with resin, styrene plastic et. al. parts requires a SUPERMODEL Savoia-Marchetti S.81 kit for donated parts whilst the SEM Model Savoia-Marchetti S.74 kit with resin, white metal, styrene plastic et. al. parts is a complete kit. Whilst requiring different construction approaches they are being concurrently built so as to economize on painting given they'll be sporting similar Mimetico schemes, both are complicated builds.

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The Italian Kits Wings Savoia-Marchetti SM.89 kit with resin, styrene plastic et. al. parts also is included though lacking kit instructions, that plus economizing on interior painting given Savoia-Marchetti used an interior gray paint similar to Giorgio Azzurro Chiaro 1 in building their aircraft.

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November 9, 2019

- > S.73 & 74 mainwings assembled, ailerons test fitted.

- > S.73 engine mounts glued on, some mainwing leading edge puttying necessary.

- > S.74 mainwing leading edges very rough after removing resin sprues, were extensively puttied for later smooth sanding:

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November 10, 2019

- > S.73 tailplane & rudder parts trimmed, sanded & test fitted, must cut & glue on styrene plastic hinge tabs not molded on tailplanes :eh:

- > S.74 mainwing, tailplane, rudder, main fuselage & engine cowling parts trimmed, filed, sanded & test fitted, engine nacelle parts filed, sanded, glued on mainwings, join edges putty filled, smooth sanding them tomorrow.

- > SM.89 mainwing, tailplane, rudder & engine nacelle parts trimmed, filed, sanded & test fitted, may have to glue on styrene plastic hinge tabs not molded on mainwing flaps :think:

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November 11, 2019

- > S.74 mainwing-engine nacelles joins sanded, mainwings glued on fuselage top center section, joins puttied, sanding them tomorrow.

- > S.74 general model layout progress photos:

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November 12, 2019

- > S.74 mainwing assembly complete except for gluing on flap actuators, doing that tomorrow.

- > Fitting & gluing ailerons on mainwings took good deal of doing, both were warped, tad too long, trimming inner ends necessary for "acceptable" fits, additional work on them may be necessary.

- > Mainwing assembly center section insides spray painted out-of-bottle Testors Model Master 1726 Light Sea Gray enamel approximating color Savoia-Marchetti employed in painting aircraft interiors.

- > Radio compartment window edges spray & hand painted Testors Flat Black & White "special mix" enamels for visual aesthetics.

- > SEM Model S.74 kit came with large clear plastic sheet to fabricate cargo cabin windows from well as clear vacuform radio compartment window parts, latter too difficult to cut out & fit, used plastic sheet to fabricate & glue on radio compartment windows:

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November 13, 2019

- > S.74 mainwing flap & aileron actuators, tie-down rings fabricated from sheet plastic, glued on mainwings:

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- > S.74 mainwing assembly topsides & leading edges base painted Humbrol 63 Matt Sand + 10% Testors Flat Yellow + 36% by volume Flat White for scale shading enamels replicating Giallo Mimetico 3:

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November 14, 2019

- > Commenced S.74 interior work today.

- > Cut styrene plastic stakes, glued them in slots on fuselage sides replicating metal structural units.

- > Fabricated two long bench seats & rear fuselage bulkhead from styrene sheet plastic per photo of a militarized S.74 rear interior:

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- > Cut sprues off cockpit deck, sanded & test fitted in forward fuselage nose interior area.

- > Cannibalized extra kit part likely meant for civil version to make fuselage flooring, glued it on fuselage interior bottom, trimmed lower part of cockpit deck for flush flooring fit.

- > Test fitted bench seats:

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- > Test fitted navigator/radio operator's station above passenger/cargo cabin, researching further whether correctly placed or no:

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November 15, 2019

- > S.74 near entire fuselage interior, major cockpit & navigator/radio operator compartment parts, engine cowling interiors, bench seat undersides base painted Testors Model Master 1726 Light Sea Gray enamel approximating color Savoia-Marchetti employed in painting aircraft interiors.

- > Bench seats & upright fronts painted Humbrol 119 Matt Light Earth, upright rears Testors Flat Black & White "special mix" enamels for visual aesthetics.

- > Cockpit & navigator/radio operator detail parts will be painted tomorrow November 16th.

November 16, 2019

- > S.74 Cockpit & navigator/radio operator seats spray & hand painted Testors Flat Aluminum & Rust (seat padding) enamels, seat straps fabricated from Scotch Magic Mending Tape spray painted Humbrol 119 with hand painted Testors Flat Aluminum buckles.

- > Kit aileron & tailplane control columns, steering yokes & rudder pedals spray & hand painted Testors Flat Aluminum & "special mix" enamels.

November 17, 2019

- > S.74 fuselage interior assembly work completed.

- > Cockpit flight deck parts glued in place, plugged assembly in fuselage nose, difficulties encountered whilst doing so.

- > Couldn't use starboard kit rudder pedal part, superbly crafted third-party instrument panel got in way :evil: fabricated another from styrene sheet plastic, glue-slipped it on flight deck floor under the panel, also unable to slip lower cockpit area in front of passenger/cargo walkway because of instrument panel, trimmed more of it off to lay over the walkway.

- > Navigator/radio operator station parts detail painted with various Testors enamels, assembled then glued it in place above fuselage cabin clearing the mainwing assembly above it:

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- > Passenger benches glued in place:

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- > Clear parts cut from a large kit-provided clear plastic sheet glued in place over external fuselage passenger/cargo compartment window area, kit-provided etched brass backed with clear plastic glued in place above it:

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Re: Retired In Kalifornia's Aircraft Model Builds In Progress Photos

Post by Editor » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:53 pm

Wow what a lineup, those are awesome pics. The P.108B was a large plane but the Trasporto makes it look relatively small in comparison from the top view.
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Post by RetiredInKalifornia » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:53 pm

Editor wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:53 pm
Wow what a lineup, those are awesome pics. The P.108B was a large plane but the Trasporto makes it look relatively small in comparison from the top view.
...last time I had three 4-motor models together was 1997: Airfix AVRO Lancaster B.I to B.II conversion with vacuform & resin parts (not entirely accurate as it had an H2X radome, B.IIs didn't, no Dowty landing gear either, was unique to this Lanc mark), Handley Page Halifax B.III, Short Stirling B.I, good builds though Lanc B.II construction was unstable due to weighty engine pods.

Decade before them built Matchbox Lancaster B.I & Halifax B.I models, good as well though nearly destroyed the B.I when tried "quick drying" paint over the folk's family room fireplace near decade before they'd put in the Bucks Stove :wtf: :crazy:

If ever build Brit Bombers again would like to build any of the Planet Models AVRO Manchester variants, had all of them at one time, gave them away along most of my unbuilt collection around this time in 2015 to Viking Hobbies in Sacramento, needless to say they'd long been sold-off.

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Re: Retired In Kalifornia's Aircraft Model Builds In Progress Photos

Post by Arditi1961 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm

Can you imagine if Mussolini had available to him 10,000+ of these beasts and another 10,000+ MC.205V/G.55/Re.2005.

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More Realistically...

Post by RetiredInKalifornia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:01 pm

Arditi1961 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm
Can you imagine if Mussolini had available to him 10,000+ of these beasts and another 10,000+ MC.205V/G.55/Re.2005.
...if in 1939 when the P.108 prototype flew the Germans licensed it for serial production to bomb Britain meantime properly developing the Heinkel 177 as a four-engine "Ural Bomber" Allied analogs being the Boeing B-17, Consolidated B-24, AVRO Lancaster & Handley Page Halifax against Germany, B-29 Japan. Fitted with BMW 801 radials, Daimler-Benz 601 or Junkers Jumo 211 inlines German-built P.108s clearly would had been RAF Fighter Command's blackest nightmare during the 1940-41 Blitz even flying half the number of bombing twins the Luftwaffe threw against the islands during it, losses certainly would had been lower given higher operating altitude & speed, better still if they had turbocharged engines.

Hitler, Göring, Udet & Milch opposed pouring resources into building strategic bombing aircraft even whilst Walther Wever was alive the Dornier 19 "Exhibit A" in this regard, despite dated construction technology it might had been effective during the Battle of Britain particularly with respect to bomb load if it had been further developed but would still had been inferior to the P.108 in overall performance. The Heinkel 177 also championed by Wever IMHO was more like the Consolidated B-24 with respect to bomb load & altitude performance if had been equipped with four turbocharged engines but not the B-29, for altitude performance, speed & bomb load it was all by itself the post-WWII AVRO Lincoln alone coming anywhere close to its capabilities.

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Arditi1961 wrote:
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Can you imagine if Mussolini had available to him 10,000+ of these beasts and another 10,000+ MC.205V/G.55/Re.2005.
Leady Ready says the same thing in "Avanti: Mussolini and the Wars of Italy 1919-1945". Unfortunately for Mussolini the country was near bankrupt at the beginning of the war, it's why it kept him from declaring war earlier. Just for some perspective, Britain received from the US in lend-lease, the equivalent of Italy's entire aircraft production between 1939-1945.
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Post by Editor » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:29 pm

RetiredInKalifornia wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:01 pm
Arditi1961 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm
Can you imagine if Mussolini had available to him 10,000+ of these beasts and another 10,000+ MC.205V/G.55/Re.2005.
...if in 1939 when the P.108 prototype flew the Germans licensed it for serial production to bomb Britain meantime properly developing the Heinkel 177 as a four-engine "Ural Bomber" Allied analogs being the Boeing B-17, Consolidated B-24, AVRO Lancaster & Handley Page Halifax against Germany, B-29 Japan. Fitted with BMW 801 radials, Daimler-Benz 601 or Junkers Jumo 211 inlines German-built P.108s clearly would had been RAF Fighter Command's blackest nightmare during the 1940-41 Blitz even flying half the number of bombing twins the Luftwaffe threw against the islands during it, losses certainly would had been lower given higher operating altitude & speed, better still if they had turbocharged engines.
I like this take, I never read it before but you're right if the Germans took out a license to build an improved version of this plane and mass produced it in the thousands, who knows. Always a case of either missed opportunities and too little too late when it comes to the Axis powers in WWII.
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Post by RetiredInKalifornia » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:47 pm

Editor wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:29 pm
RetiredInKalifornia wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:01 pm
Arditi1961 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm
Can you imagine if Mussolini had available to him 10,000+ of these beasts and another 10,000+ MC.205V/G.55/Re.2005.
...if in 1939 when the P.108 prototype flew the Germans licensed it for serial production to bomb Britain meantime properly developing the Heinkel 177 as a four-engine "Ural Bomber" Allied analogs being the Boeing B-17, Consolidated B-24, AVRO Lancaster & Handley Page Halifax against Germany, B-29 Japan. Fitted with BMW 801 radials, Daimler-Benz 601 or Junkers Jumo 211 inlines German-built P.108s clearly would had been RAF Fighter Command's blackest nightmare during the 1940-41 Blitz even flying half the number of bombing twins the Luftwaffe threw against the islands during it, losses certainly would had been lower given higher operating altitude & speed, better still if they had turbocharged engines.
I like this take, I never read it before but you're right if the Germans took out a license to build an improved version of this plane and mass produced it in the thousands, who knows. Always a case of either missed opportunities and too little too late when it comes to the Axis powers in WWII.
...late followed by too little, Messerschmitt 262 classic case in point here. Germans might had industrial capacity to produce some thousands P.108s, hundreds for sure; Ferenc A. Vajda & Peter Dancy's German Aircraft And Production 1933-1945 (SAE International 1998), a must-read for those interested in that nation's WWII aircraft production capabilities, suggests Germany alone didn't have industrial capacity to build thousands of four-engine bombers though IMHO teamed up with Italy & Vichy France maybe.

The book makes clear Milch & Speer made possible the 1943-44 "production miracle" in churning out thousands of fighters for Reich Defense but at the expense of bombers, "missed opportunity" in producing large quantities of four-engine ones as you'd expect being before the Battle Of Britain when arguably there was industrial capacity to do so though still limited compared to the Americans & Brits. Britain had overseas colonies to provide whatever raw material it needed for war goods production thanks to its Merchant Marine & Royal Navy to protect it, that plus having access to American resources & industrial capacity via lend-lease. Sans either there'd be lot fewer Halifaxes & Lancasters for Reich night bombing 1942 on though RAF surely would had "wisely used" whatever quantities they had, the war lasting longer than otherwise.

With the Americans in the war after Pearl Harbor the Western Axis Powers lost the "war of production" though Vajda & Dancy's book does make for interesting reading what the Germans could do in the way of 1943-44 fighter aircraft production whilst being bombed into oblivion - if only they had the oil to keep 'em flying, good "what-if" here for sure!

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